Call for Emergency General Meeting 2022 ESFS (2024)

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#51

Boris, can you expand on 3 - what do you mean by "flag"? There are no flags used for any countries for the ESFS awards, only the written name of the nominating country (and if it differs, the written name of the country of the nominee, like when Ireland nominationed the UK's Ian McDonald)

#52

Boris, can you expand on 3 - what do you mean by "flag"? There are no flags used for any countries for the ESFS awards, only the written name of the nominating country (and if it differs, the written name of the country of the nominee, like when Ireland nominationed the UK's Ian McDonald)

On Tue 29 Mar 2022, 17:43 Borys Sydiuk, <master@...> wrote:

For immediate release

Dear ESFS board

The algorithm we expected from the board and GM of ESFS

1.Call an EGM (emergency general meeting to be run online) to review the questions about formal excluding Russia and Belarus from the list of ESFS members until the war is over taking into consideration the principle of zero-tolerance of any aggression European nations follow.

2.Nominations accepted from Russia and Belarus to be subject to investigation if any of the nominees supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If so it should lead to immediate disqualification of such nominees.

3.Accepted and non-disqualified nominations should go under ESFS nominations or a sponsoring country, not Russia or Belarus using Olympic principle – Olympic flag, sponsoring country flag, not embargoed country flag.

4.These should be voted during the EGM.

5.If EGM is not possible, pp 1 to 4 should be discussed at the first at the scheduled first ESFS General business meeting in Luxembourg.

6.In the case Russia and Belarus remain in ESFS member list and/or Russian and Belarusian nominations will go as Russian and Belarusian, not under ESFS or a sponsoring country title, after EGM or the first General business meeting in Luxembourg, Ukraine officially quits ESFS and withdraws all Ukrainian nominations for ESFS 2022 Awards. In this case Ukrainian delegates or their proxy representatives will not take part in the second business meeting, ESFS Award voting and any further ESFS activities until the war is over.

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Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

#53

Boris, can you expand on 3 - what do you mean by "flag"? There are no flags used for any countries for the ESFS awards, only the written name of the nominating country (and if it differs, the written name of the country of the nominee, like when Ireland nominationed the UK's Ian McDonald)

On Tue 29 Mar 2022, 17:43 Borys Sydiuk, <master@...> wrote:

For immediate release

Dear ESFS board

The algorithm we expected from the board and GM of ESFS

1.Call an EGM (emergency general meeting to be run online) to review the questions about formal excluding Russia and Belarus from the list of ESFS members until the war is over taking into consideration the principle of zero-tolerance of any aggression European nations follow.

2.Nominations accepted from Russia and Belarus to be subject to investigation if any of the nominees supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If so it should lead to immediate disqualification of such nominees.

3.Accepted and non-disqualified nominations should go under ESFS nominations or a sponsoring country, not Russia or Belarus using Olympic principle – Olympic flag, sponsoring country flag, not embargoed country flag.

4.These should be voted during the EGM.

5.If EGM is not possible, pp 1 to 4 should be discussed at the first at the scheduled first ESFS General business meeting in Luxembourg.

6.In the case Russia and Belarus remain in ESFS member list and/or Russian and Belarusian nominations will go as Russian and Belarusian, not under ESFS or a sponsoring country title, after EGM or the first General business meeting in Luxembourg, Ukraine officially quits ESFS and withdraws all Ukrainian nominations for ESFS 2022 Awards. In this case Ukrainian delegates or their proxy representatives will not take part in the second business meeting, ESFS Award voting and any further ESFS activities until the war is over.

--
Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

#54

Boris, can you expand on 3 - what do you mean by "flag"? There are no flags used for any countries for the ESFS awards, only the written name of the nominating country (and if it differs, the written name of the country of the nominee, like when Ireland nominationed the UK's Ian McDonald)

On Tue 29 Mar 2022, 17:43 Borys Sydiuk, <master@...> wrote:

For immediate release

Dear ESFS board

The algorithm we expected from the board and GM of ESFS

1.Call an EGM (emergency general meeting to be run online) to review the questions about formal excluding Russia and Belarus from the list of ESFS members until the war is over taking into consideration the principle of zero-tolerance of any aggression European nations follow.

2.Nominations accepted from Russia and Belarus to be subject to investigation if any of the nominees supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If so it should lead to immediate disqualification of such nominees.

3.Accepted and non-disqualified nominations should go under ESFS nominations or a sponsoring country, not Russia or Belarus using Olympic principle – Olympic flag, sponsoring country flag, not embargoed country flag.

4.These should be voted during the EGM.

5.If EGM is not possible, pp 1 to 4 should be discussed at the first at the scheduled first ESFS General business meeting in Luxembourg.

6.In the case Russia and Belarus remain in ESFS member list and/or Russian and Belarusian nominations will go as Russian and Belarusian, not under ESFS or a sponsoring country title, after EGM or the first General business meeting in Luxembourg, Ukraine officially quits ESFS and withdraws all Ukrainian nominations for ESFS 2022 Awards. In this case Ukrainian delegates or their proxy representatives will not take part in the second business meeting, ESFS Award voting and any further ESFS activities until the war is over.

--
Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

#55

Ah, so let's say next year Ireland nominated a John Smith for Best Artist, and then Ireland was excluded for some reason, the idea is that the website would no longer say "John Smith - Ireland", it would say "John Smith - ESFS"?

Once excluded, do you propose that the next year would delegates from the excluded county be allowed to nominate for their country (but it would instead say ESFS against their nominees) or is your idea that the replacement by ESFS is a once-off and in future the excluded country could not make nominations?

What is your proposed process for re-inclusion? Would it be a vote at a Eurocon?

#56

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On 29. Mar 2022, at 19.43, Borys Sydiuk <master@...> wrote:



For immediate release

Dear ESFS board

The algorithm we expected from the board and GM of ESFS

1.Call an EGM (emergency general meeting to be run online) to review the questions about formal excluding Russia and Belarus from the list of ESFS members until the war is over taking into consideration the principle of zero-tolerance of any aggression European nations follow.

2.Nominations accepted from Russia and Belarus to be subject to investigation if any of the nominees supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If so it should lead to immediate disqualification of such nominees.

3.Accepted and non-disqualified nominations should go under ESFS nominations or a sponsoring country, not Russia or Belarus using Olympic principle – Olympic flag, sponsoring country flag, not embargoed country flag.

4.These should be voted during the EGM.

5.If EGM is not possible, pp 1 to 4 should be discussed at the first at the scheduled first ESFS General business meeting in Luxembourg.

6.In the case Russia and Belarus remain in ESFS member list and/or Russian and Belarusian nominations will go as Russian and Belarusian, not under ESFS or a sponsoring country title, after EGM or the first General business meeting in Luxembourg, Ukraine officially quits ESFS and withdraws all Ukrainian nominations for ESFS 2022 Awards. In this case Ukrainian delegates or their proxy representatives will not take part in the second business meeting, ESFS Award voting and any further ESFS activities until the war is over.

--
Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

#57

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Dear all,

First of all I do not represent any country or organisation, only my self, so I don’t know if I really have any say in this matter.

But anyway, I really sincerely hope that ESFS will NOT go the Olympic route, as proposed in item number 3. I strongly feel that if a country is excluded from ESFS, this should mean that no one from that country is eligible for any ESFS nominations or awards as long as the country stays excluded from ESFS.

Yours sincerely,

-Ben Roimola-

On 29. Mar 2022, at 19.43, Borys Sydiuk <master@...> wrote:



For immediate release

Dear ESFS board

The algorithm we expected from the board and GM of ESFS

1. Call an EGM (emergency general meeting to be run online) to review the questions about formal excluding Russia and Belarus from the list of ESFS members until the war is over taking into consideration the principle of zero-tolerance of any aggression European nations follow.

2. Nominations accepted from Russia and Belarus to be subject to investigation if any of the nominees supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If so it should lead to immediate disqualification of such nominees.

3. Accepted and non-disqualified nominations should go under ESFS nominations or a sponsoring country, not Russia or Belarus using Olympic principle – Olympic flag, sponsoring country flag, not embargoed country flag.

4. These should be voted during the EGM.

5. If EGM is not possible, pp 1 to 4 should be discussed at the first at the scheduled first ESFS General business meeting in Luxembourg.

6. In the case Russia and Belarus remain in ESFS member list and/or Russian and Belarusian nominations will go as Russian and Belarusian, not under ESFS or a sponsoring country title, after EGM or the first General business meeting in Luxembourg, Ukraine officially quits ESFS and withdraws all Ukrainian nominations for ESFS 2022 Awards. In this case Ukrainian delegates or their proxy representatives will not take part in the second business meeting, ESFS Award voting and any further ESFS activities until the war is over.

--
Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

#58

Ah, so let's say next year Ireland nominated a John Smith for Best Artist, and then Ireland was excluded for some reason, the idea is that the website would no longer say "John Smith - Ireland", it would say "John Smith - ESFS"?

Once excluded, do you propose that the next year would delegates from the excluded county be allowed to nominate for their country (but it would instead say ESFS against their nominees) or is your idea that the replacement by ESFS is a once-off and in future the excluded country could not make nominations?

What is your proposed process for re-inclusion? Would it be a vote at a Eurocon?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 6:56 PM Borys Sydiuk <master@...> wrote:

Hello Carol,

And Yes, if a nominee was nominated by R or B it should farther go as ESFS nominee

Boris, can you expand on 3 - what do you mean by "flag"? There are no flags used for any countries for the ESFS awards, only the written name of the nominating country (and if it differs, the written name of the country of the nominee, like when Ireland nominationed the UK's Ian McDonald)

On Tue 29 Mar 2022, 17:43 Borys Sydiuk, <master@...> wrote:

For immediate release

Dear ESFS board

The algorithm we expected from the board and GM of ESFS

1.Call an EGM (emergency general meeting to be run online) to review the questions about formal excluding Russia and Belarus from the list of ESFS members until the war is over taking into consideration the principle of zero-tolerance of any aggression European nations follow.

2.Nominations accepted from Russia and Belarus to be subject to investigation if any of the nominees supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If so it should lead to immediate disqualification of such nominees.

3.Accepted and non-disqualified nominations should go under ESFS nominations or a sponsoring country, not Russia or Belarus using Olympic principle – Olympic flag, sponsoring country flag, not embargoed country flag.

4.These should be voted during the EGM.

5.If EGM is not possible, pp 1 to 4 should be discussed at the first at the scheduled first ESFS General business meeting in Luxembourg.

6.In the case Russia and Belarus remain in ESFS member list and/or Russian and Belarusian nominations will go as Russian and Belarusian, not under ESFS or a sponsoring country title, after EGM or the first General business meeting in Luxembourg, Ukraine officially quits ESFS and withdraws all Ukrainian nominations for ESFS 2022 Awards. In this case Ukrainian delegates or their proxy representatives will not take part in the second business meeting, ESFS Award voting and any further ESFS activities until the war is over.

--
Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

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Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

#59

Hi,

We have read the discussion here in the forum and as the board we want to clarify the following:

We will have a general meeting at Luxcon which is within two weeks.

We will not call for a extraordinary general meeting before then.

The general meeting at Luxcon will be a meeting in person as previously announced.

This matter will be discussed at the general meeting, and the board will announce the agenda and proposals before it.

Best wishes

Carolina with the board of ESFS

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Dear all,

First of all I do not represent any country or organisation, only my self, so I don’t know if I really have any say in this matter.

But anyway, I really sincerely hope that ESFS will NOT go the Olympic route, as proposed in item number 3. I strongly feel that if a country is excluded from ESFS, this should mean that no one from that country is eligible for any ESFS nominations or awards as long as the country stays excluded from ESFS.

Yours sincerely,

-Ben Roimola-

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On 29. Mar 2022, at 19.43, Borys Sydiuk <master@...> wrote:



For immediate release

Dear ESFS board

The algorithm we expected from the board and GM of ESFS

1. Call an EGM (emergency general meeting to be run online) to review the questions about formal excluding Russia and Belarus from the list of ESFS members until the war is over taking into consideration the principle of zero-tolerance of any aggression European nations follow.

2. Nominations accepted from Russia and Belarus to be subject to investigation if any of the nominees supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If so it should lead to immediate disqualification of such nominees.

3. Accepted and non-disqualified nominations should go under ESFS nominations or a sponsoring country, not Russia or Belarus using Olympic principle – Olympic flag, sponsoring country flag, not embargoed country flag.

4. These should be voted during the EGM.

5. If EGM is not possible, pp 1 to 4 should be discussed at the first at the scheduled first ESFS General business meeting in Luxembourg.

6. In the case Russia and Belarus remain in ESFS member list and/or Russian and Belarusian nominations will go as Russian and Belarusian, not under ESFS or a sponsoring country title, after EGM or the first General business meeting in Luxembourg, Ukraine officially quits ESFS and withdraws all Ukrainian nominations for ESFS 2022 Awards. In this case Ukrainian delegates or their proxy representatives will not take part in the second business meeting, ESFS Award voting and any further ESFS activities until the war is over.

--
Best regards,
Borys mailto:master@...

#60

Hi Borys,

I'm not on the board, and the comments below don't represent any viewpoint other than my own.

On point 1, we are about 10 days out from the AGM, so I think trying to call an EGM now would be difficult, and I doubt it would be possible to get a representative attendance. Should one have been called when the crisis first started? Perhaps, but I could understand if the board thought it was close enough to the AGM that an EGM was not necessary. If anyone thought an EGM was necessary they could have called for one, and if two thirds of the committee were in favour, the board would be required to hold one.

Point 2. I'm unclear whether this refers to nominations of delegates to EGM/AGM or award nominations.

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